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Originally posted by fantasy@Jun 9 2005, 01:35 AM
能否翻譯一下該網頁的一些重點呀?
都看不懂耶
The PSU is connected to an APC SmartUPS which supplies clean 220V input.
電源供應器連接至APC SMARTUPS,以220V供應。
AC current is measured using a Peaktech 4010 desktop RS232 multimeter with 0.02A accuracy.
交流輸入電流以桌上型萬用表良測,具有RS232介面並有0.02安培的精度。
To measure DC output voltages of the PSU we use a 20-bit data acquisition system calibrated to 10uV accuracy.
直流輸出電壓以20BIT取樣量測,並將精度校正於10微伏。
Power Factor is measured using a generic Power Efficiency Meter.
以一般的電源效率測量表量測必v因數。
Measurements for Ripple Voltage were obtained using a 30 MHz HAMEG Analog/Digital Oscilloscope.
以30MHz類比/數位示波器測量漣波電壓。
 

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The manual lists different limits than the sticker on the PSU (correct values listed here). Thermaltake told us, that the sticker is right and that they will fix the manual.
說明書上規格寫的跟電源供應器上的標籤不一樣,TT告訴我們說電源上的標籤才是對的且,會修改說明書。
All lines are fluctuating, too much if you ask me, especially if you consider that our load was not bigger than 330W. However, all lines stayed within the limits set by the ATX Specification.
所有線路電壓的輸出都是浮動的,對我來說太大,尤其是負載並未超過330瓦,然而其變動的範圍仍在ATX的規範內。
Above image shows the Ripple Voltage measurement (10 mV per vertical division, 0.1uS per horizontal division). 12mV from peak to bottom is a good result. Ripple Voltage was measured at idle.
下面的圖說明漣波電壓的量測(垂直每格10毫伏、水平每格0.1微秒),最佳波形是於待機模式下,從尖端到底部量測為12毫伏。
 

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Originally posted by LSI狼+Jun 9 2005, 01:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LSI狼 @ Jun 9 2005, 01:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fantasy@Jun 9 2005, 01:35 AM
能否翻譯一下該網頁的一些重點呀?
都看不懂耶
The PSU is connected to an APC SmartUPS which supplies clean 220V input.
電源供應器連接至APC SMARTUPS,以220V供應。
AC current is measured using a Peaktech 4010 desktop RS232 multimeter with 0.02A accuracy.
交流輸入電流以桌上型萬用表良測,具有RS232介面並有0.02安培的精度。
To measure DC output voltages of the PSU we use a 20-bit data acquisition system calibrated to 10uV accuracy.
直流輸出電壓以20BIT取樣量測,並將精度校正於10微伏。
Power Factor is measured using a generic Power Efficiency Meter.
以一般的電源效率測量表量測必v因數。
Measurements for Ripple Voltage were obtained using a 30 MHz HAMEG Analog/Digital Oscilloscope.
以30MHz類比/數位示波器測量漣波電壓。 [/b][/quote]
感謝狼大翻譯,
不過小弟比較想知道最後面的這些結論
Value and Conclusion
The Thermaltake TWV500 is selling for about $140 which I find ok, if you consider the included gizmos.

Modular
Two PCI-E connectors
Watts Viewer
Low ripple noise
Four SATA connectors
Sleeved cabling
24-Pin ATX Connector

Unstable Voltages
Add-on fan too noisy
Low efficiency

7.5 Thermaltake's implementation of PSU modularity is nice and clean. The watts viewer is a feature you may not actually need, but it is definitely cool to see the numbers moving.
Unfortunately, voltage stability was not that great. If you are not overclocking at all or just a bit, then this will have absolutely no effect on you. Hardcore overclockers should check out other PSUs.
 

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Power Factor is one of the most misunderstood concepts in PSUs. For a more in-depth, technical article read here.

在電源供應器中,必v因數是最容易被誤解的主題之一,這裡有更深入的技術資料。

To understand Power Factor, some basic terms have to be defined.

想要知道必v因數,一些基本單位要先說明定義。
Working Power: This is the power that does some real work, ie. work of heating, lighting and motion.
實央G真正有作用的必v,例如用來發熱、發光、運動等等。
Reactive Power: In order to get a motor moving, the motor must build (and sustain) a magnetic field in the motor coils, which requires power. This power does not "do" anything, but it is required for operation.
虛央G為了讓馬達運轉,馬達得產生(以及維持)一個磁場於線圈中,這需要必v。這時這些必v不能作任何事,但卻是必須的。
Apparent Power is the sum of Working Power and Reactive Power.
視在必v:實孕H及虛左瑭`合。
The formula for Power Factor is Power Factor = Working Power [W] / Apparent Power [VA]. For example if a circuit has a Working Power of 275W and an Apparent Power of 300VA, its Power Factor is 275W / 300VA = 0.92

計算必v因數的公式是 必v因數 = 實?瓦) / 視在必v(VA-伏安),舉例來說,假使一個電路有275W的實央A300VA的視在必v,其必v因數就是 275W / 300VA = 0.92

The problem with Reactive Power is, that it does not do anything, and is thus not billed by your power company (unless you are an industrial customer, who has to pay additional charges if his power factor is low).

問題就是虛巨S有作用,且不會被電力公司計算進去(除非你是工業用戶,必v因數過低就得另外付錢)

The power company DOES have to provide your household with the Reactive Power, so their generator output must be higher and the grid must be able to take the increased load, overall this costs the power company money. It is also possible that low Power Factor, high-load devices have an effect on the power quality in your house.

電力公司必須要提供"虛?以維持電器用品的運作,所以發電機組必須要有更高的輸出,電力系統也要能承受增加的負荷,這就會花電力公司的錢,也會導致必v因數降低,住家中的高用電裝置便會影響用電品質。

In order to increase Power Factor, passive PFC uses a capacitor in parallel with the AC mains, because the effects of capacitance are exactly opposite those of inductance.

為了增加必v因數,被動PFC把電容並聯於交流電路,因為容抗的影響以及感抗的影響是相對的。
Active PFC uses a special circuit which acts like a resistive load (which has no Reactive Power) and feeds this power to the PSU circuit, isolating it from the mains. One effect this has, is that the overall conversion efficiency is a bit lower, since this circuit inside the PSU consumes power, which is not converted into DC voltage (this is in the range of 3%-8%).

主動PFC使用了特殊的電路,使之有如電阻性負載(電阻性負載不需要虛?並將必v傳送至電源供應器電路,並使之從交流電路隔離,其影響是整體電源轉換效率比較低一點,雖然PFC電路在電源供應器內會耗電,但不會使其直流輸出造成影響(僅於3%~8%)

Overall, you, as end-customer will not directly benefit from PFC. In the long-term it will save you money and problems. Less load on the grid means less likeliness of black-outs. Less load on the power company's generators means that their prices will not go up as fast as they would when they needed to buy bigger generators.
整體來說,身為最終使用者不會直接從PFC電路設計受益,長遠看來將為你省下金錢以及問題,電力系統上較小的負荷也代表跳電次數也會降低,發電廠發電機組負荷較少,代表電費不會因為他們需要更大的發電機組而提高。
In the European Union all power supplies >70W must have either Passive or Active PFC.
歐盟規定所有大於70W的電源都要有被動或是主動PFC。
 

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4200含運費,
不知道算不算貴?

還有,它的5.25"面版顯示電源供應器電力消耗的總瓦數的弁遄A
是不是真的準呢?
 

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The Thermaltake TWV500 is selling for about $140 which I find ok, if you consider the included gizmos.

TT TWV500我找到的大約要賣140美元,假如你考慮要包含運費的話(??)

好處:
Modular
模組化。
Two PCI-E connectors
兩個PCI-E顯卡用接頭。
Watts Viewer
必v輸出顯示器。
Low ripple noise
較低的漣波噪音電壓。
Four SATA connectors
4個SATA接頭。
Sleeved cabling
線材隔離網包覆處理。
24-Pin ATX Connector
24PIN ATX接頭。

缺點:
Unstable Voltages
電壓不穩。
Add-on fan too noisy
風扇太吵。
Low efficiency
效率不好。

整體評分7.5

Thermaltake's implementation of PSU modularity is nice and clean.
TT電源模組化設計看起來很好也很簡潔。
The watts viewer is a feature you may not actually need, but it is definitely cool to see the numbers moving.
你不一定需要必v檢視器這項弁遄A但看著數字跳動的確是蠻酷的。
Unfortunately, voltage stability was not that great.
不幸的是,電壓穩定性似乎不佳。
If you are not overclocking at all or just a bit, then this will have absolutely no effect on you. Hardcore overclockers should check out other PSUs.
假如你不超頻或只是小超,這還不至於會有太大影響,但若是重度超頻者,還是看看其他的吧。
 

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Originally posted by LSI狼@Jun 9 2005, 02:37 AM
The Thermaltake TWV500 is selling for about $140 which I find ok, if you consider the included gizmos.

TT TWV500我找到的大約要賣140美元,假如你考慮要包含運費的話(??)

好處:
Modular
模組化。
Two PCI-E connectors
兩個PCI-E顯卡用接頭。
Watts Viewer
必v輸出顯示器。
Low ripple noise
較低的漣波噪音電壓。
Four SATA connectors
4個SATA接頭。
Sleeved cabling
線材隔離網包覆處理。
24-Pin ATX Connector
24PIN ATX接頭。

缺點:
Unstable Voltages
電壓不穩。
Add-on fan too noisy
風扇太吵。
Low efficiency
效率不好。

整體評分7.5

Thermaltake's implementation of PSU modularity is nice and clean.
TT電源模組化設計看起來很好也很簡潔。
The watts viewer is a feature you may not actually need, but it is definitely cool to see the numbers moving.
你不一定需要必v檢視器這項弁遄A但看著數字跳動的確是蠻酷的。
Unfortunately, voltage stability was not that great.
不幸的是,電壓穩定性似乎不佳。
If you are not overclocking at all or just a bit, then this will have absolutely no effect on you. Hardcore overclockers should check out other PSUs.
假如你不超頻或只是小超,這還不至於會有太大影響,但若是重度超頻者,還是看看其他的吧。
真慘! :p||:

優點還是敵不過缺點...

看來要考慮酷大師那一款也有面板顯示瓦數的POWER 了
 

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Originally posted by fantasy@Jun 9 2005, 02:32 AM
4200含運費,
不知道算不算貴?

還有,它的5.25"面版顯示電源供應器電力消耗的總瓦數的弁遄A
是不是真的準呢?
再MADSHPRIMP的測試有提到(按我去看)

那個面板不大準

至於COOLERMASTER的那款,新品快上市了,建議你再等等(上它的官網就能看到了),別幫廠商清庫存
 

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Originally posted by linczs2000+Jun 9 2005, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (linczs2000 @ Jun 9 2005, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fantasy@Jun 9 2005, 02:32 AM
4200含運費,
不知道算不算貴?

還有,它的5.25"面版顯示電源供應器電力消耗的總瓦數的弁遄A
是不是真的準呢?
再MADSHPRIMP的測試有提到(按我去看)

那個面板不大準

至於COOLERMASTER的那款,新品快上市了,建議你再等等(上它的官網就能看到了),別幫廠商清庫存 [/b][/quote]
感謝提供資訊,

酷大師的那一款好像只有450W,

您說的新品是指??? :??:
瓦數更大嗎?
還是用料更好?
 
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